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tall tax rates will go up. we will then enact tax cuts for 98%. we will get congratulations from the american people. >> keeping and adding back tax cut for those above $250,000, 9 #% of income would add $37 trillion in ten years and would only save $800 billion or so from raising rates on higher incomes. democrats complain the republicans didn't pay for bush tax cut and no one on the democratic side is talking about finding the off-setting savings now to extend them. several democrats contemplated going over the cliff in recent days. perhaps in hopes of gaining leverage. >> if the republicans don't agree with that, we reach a point where all the tax cuts expire and we start over next year. >> form every republican senate aide said it would be hard to blame one party. >> i think they realize that both sides will be culpable if we go over cliff. >> house speaker john boehner says going over the cliff is far too dangerous to the economy. nevertheless, even treasury secretary geithner suggested on fox news sunday that republicans might need more time
tall tax rates will go up. we will then enact tax cuts for 98%. we will get congratulations from the american people. >> keeping and adding back tax cut for those above $250,000, 9 #% of income would add $37 trillion in ten years and would only save $800 billion or so from raising rates on higher incomes. democrats complain the republicans didn't pay for bush tax cut and no one on the democratic side is talking about finding the off-setting savings now to extend them. several democrats...
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rates, not just more in taxes, higher tax rates. but for some reason it must be higher rates, period. that's it. end of story. not because it is going to move the needle and fix our out of control debt, because it won't, not because it will put america on a fiscal sustainable path, because it won't. that is where the president has drawn his line in the sand. meanwhile, the president is now proposing a form of kicking the can down the road. raising taxes now with a promise to deal with entitlement reform and tax reform next year or beyond. that's the real worrisome proposal. here we are at the center of probably the most important fiscal conversation this country has had in decades. no one thinks we can continue on this spending path we are on without a day of reckoning coming sooner or later. why would we not seize the
rates, not just more in taxes, higher tax rates. but for some reason it must be higher rates, period. that's it. end of story. not because it is going to move the needle and fix our out of control debt, because it won't, not because it will put america on a fiscal sustainable path, because it won't. that is where the president has drawn his line in the sand. meanwhile, the president is now proposing a form of kicking the can down the road. raising taxes now with a promise to deal with...
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their payroll taxes might. their income taxes are not. and that is huge. and the truth is, from what i'm hearing, the top 2% better start making financial plans. >> there's no question about that. what's wrong with this proposal? >> look, there are parts of this proposals are reasonable. the bigger problem here is, if the president is sticking to this position, at least for the time being that he outlined last week, would be the equivalent of the republicans saying we want the ryan budget, we want marginal tax rates cut across the board 20%. i'll tell you, steve, i think he has dug in, he spent more time on the phone this week from what i understand with steve israel, chairman of the democrat chair than he did with john boehner. tell me what he's telling those hard left groups about his position and how he can walk back to something more reasonable like something that tom's for. given what he's saying with these hard left groups. >> he's trying to do something different than he's done before. which is take his message outside the beltway, outside of capito
their payroll taxes might. their income taxes are not. and that is huge. and the truth is, from what i'm hearing, the top 2% better start making financial plans. >> there's no question about that. what's wrong with this proposal? >> look, there are parts of this proposals are reasonable. the bigger problem here is, if the president is sticking to this position, at least for the time being that he outlined last week, would be the equivalent of the republicans saying we want the ryan...
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they are the low-tax party. the other guys want to tax. to match reckless spending. i understand why democrats are doing this. they manual that the republicans have no bargaining power today. i say it's true if republicans resist, they will take the blame. that will help the democrats in the congress. but obama is never running again. he doesn't care who gets the blame. he is going to be the president. she a lame duck. he wants the term. if it starts by going over the cliff it starts with a second recession. 2 million unemployed and wrecked second term. that is the leverage that republicans have over obama. it's utterly unacceptable. >> bret: to kirsten's point, some republicans are talking about raising the age of medicare, means testing. put a lot of ideas out there. nothing on paper. they are not hammering it out, it doesn't seem, behind closed doors unless we don't know it's going on, steve. >> no, it's not. >> bret: let me play this thing, this sound bite. yesterday we put in a piece. i want to play more of it. this is a question and answer by senator reid about
they are the low-tax party. the other guys want to tax. to match reckless spending. i understand why democrats are doing this. they manual that the republicans have no bargaining power today. i say it's true if republicans resist, they will take the blame. that will help the democrats in the congress. but obama is never running again. he doesn't care who gets the blame. he is going to be the president. she a lame duck. he wants the term. if it starts by going over the cliff it starts with a...
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, tax rates that were around before the bush tax cults came along. we're talking about something that will not affect working-class people except for that loss in the payroll tax they vacation. who's going to get blamed for that? chances are the democrats figure the republicans will be blamed. there's the two-step option, which is let's kick the can down the road for another year, so to speak, while negotiations continue on the long-term grand bargain. that's always in the back hip pocket of members of congress as well. so i don't know that they're feeling the same kind of sense of panic that a lot of us outside are feeling. >> i just got handed this, and let me ask you for your instant analysis on this, dana. it comes from the office of the white house press secretary. it says on thursday governor romney will have a private lunch at the white house with president obama in the private dining room, the first opportunity they've had to visit since the election. there will be no press coverage of this meeting. was this signalled? did we expect this? >>
, tax rates that were around before the bush tax cults came along. we're talking about something that will not affect working-class people except for that loss in the payroll tax they vacation. who's going to get blamed for that? chances are the democrats figure the republicans will be blamed. there's the two-step option, which is let's kick the can down the road for another year, so to speak, while negotiations continue on the long-term grand bargain. that's always in the back hip pocket of...
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they didn't extend the bush tax cuts until december 17th. they didn't handle the payroll tax until december 23rd. i lived inside the beltway. i have a pretty good network on the hill. i think they're going to have some kind of staged in agreement and then agree to attack the entitlement situation in the new year. >> michael, what do you make of what's going on? how do you try and trade this? at least we had some volatility the traders could trade on. now we don't have that. >> i think the lower volatility is telling you this is an extremely resilient stock market. i've been calling this the rocky balboa stock market. the entire scenario playing out is the fiscal cliff ends up being bullish no matter what. spending cuts makes bonds rise, yields fall and making stocks paradoxically even more attractive. they become the new bonds. >> alan, can you tell from option activity which way the markets are betting right now, presuming that not going over the fiscal cliff would be positive for stocks and going over the cliff would be negative? what's th
they didn't extend the bush tax cuts until december 17th. they didn't handle the payroll tax until december 23rd. i lived inside the beltway. i have a pretty good network on the hill. i think they're going to have some kind of staged in agreement and then agree to attack the entitlement situation in the new year. >> michael, what do you make of what's going on? how do you try and trade this? at least we had some volatility the traders could trade on. now we don't have that. >> i...
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the social security payroll tax. there is a tax increase in january. unless someone steps up and says wait a second, we are getting everyone else a tax break and let social security tax go up 2%. >> bret: winners and losers? >> bill kristol is turning in to a socialist. [ laughter ] >> family tradition. way back. >> secretary of the treasury sitting right over there. workers, champion. the winner mahmoud abbas locally because he outshone hamas on this even though the victory he won in the u.n. was pyraquan. loser speaker of the house john boehner. he offered the president a peace pipe and got in return a demand that he turned over his sword, his shirt and at the end his trousers. that is a rather embarrassing position for the speaker. >> bret: he will be asked about it on "fox news sunday" with chris wallace. that is it for the panel. but stay tuned to see one thing congress did accomplish today. victor! victor! i got your campbell's chunky soup. mom? who's mom? i'm the giants mascot. the giants don't have a mascot! ohhh! eat up! new jammin jerk chicke
the social security payroll tax. there is a tax increase in january. unless someone steps up and says wait a second, we are getting everyone else a tax break and let social security tax go up 2%. >> bret: winners and losers? >> bill kristol is turning in to a socialist. [ laughter ] >> family tradition. way back. >> secretary of the treasury sitting right over there. workers, champion. the winner mahmoud abbas locally because he outshone hamas on this even though the...
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the most supply side oriented tax of all is the tax on risk and wealth, namely capital gains tax, risk wealth high risk stock investment. every time the capital gains tax rate is cut, revenues soar as they did under bill clinton. in fact, president obama was asked this in a tv interview during the campaign and he said i know that's what the numbers show but i still want to raise the top rates. if ever there's a supply side tax rates where lower rates produce higher rates it's capital gains. >> that's right. people start taking gains and hold on to what they have. that means capital is not put to work. in the early 1990s the economy was starting to get a real head of steam. not enough to save george h.w. bush but that slowed in '93 and '94. when republicans came in, cut spending, killed hilary care and alan greenspan had a sensible monetary policy, the economy started to recover and then clinton got the religion, he cut capital gains. >> steve is giving your man all these kudos and you're not taking them. >> two things first, larry, didn't president reagan raise the capital gains tax ra
the most supply side oriented tax of all is the tax on risk and wealth, namely capital gains tax, risk wealth high risk stock investment. every time the capital gains tax rate is cut, revenues soar as they did under bill clinton. in fact, president obama was asked this in a tv interview during the campaign and he said i know that's what the numbers show but i still want to raise the top rates. if ever there's a supply side tax rates where lower rates produce higher rates it's capital gains....
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we can live with a little tax increase. we're loaded up here. just move on and don't screw up the economy because we'll lose a lot more money if this market crashes to a second great recession. >> chris, i think to some extent the market has priced in the notion we would go over the fiscal cliff -- >> you're wrong. no. everybody -- who you talking to? i keep talking to people and they -- who you talking to? >> i actually spoke with a source the other day who is in washington, he's an attorney, who said, listen -- >> a lawyer? >> a lawyer but speaks to a lot of folks that are wall street type who says the market could take it for a couple of weeks. >> the cake is baked and they think the intelligence of politicians is up to this challenge. >> but wall street doesn't really have a lot of faith in this process to be able to get done. they have priced in just a little bit that this could happen for a while. maybe not for months, but you wouldn't see the market necessarily crash like the next day. you'd have time. i think if they came back on january
we can live with a little tax increase. we're loaded up here. just move on and don't screw up the economy because we'll lose a lot more money if this market crashes to a second great recession. >> chris, i think to some extent the market has priced in the notion we would go over the fiscal cliff -- >> you're wrong. no. everybody -- who you talking to? i keep talking to people and they -- who you talking to? >> i actually spoke with a source the other day who is in washington,...
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is the prime minister guilty of tax of points for tax evasion? >> $900 million into specific majors of tax avoidance. all these schemes grew up under years of labour government. they never did a general tax avoidance. they presided over a system where people in the city were paying less taxes than their cleaners and the government has sorted out. >> not to be remembered as the prime minister introduced regulation of the press, an essential part of a free democracy. would you agree with me that regulation derives -- you are pregnant or not pregnant. you either have state regulation or you don't. there is no alternative third way. >> i would agree with my hon. friend. is it a free press? absolutely vital for free democracy? we should recognize all the press has done and should continue to do to uncover wrongdoing, stand up to the powerful. whatever changes we make we want a robust and free press in our country. >> research by the charity save the children, reveals shockingly that in our country when seven children does not have a warm coat this win
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individual taxes. a lot of ways to skin the cat here. but the president seem determined to raise the rates. that is not going to help the economy. of it seems vindictive to me. what we ought to do is try to reform our tax code and lower rates. maybe we'd have revenue. but revenue by itself will never keep up with the spen spending. >> shannon: what about the mortgage deduction or charitable duction? there are things that come up with discussion. are they on the table? >> i think mortgage deduction is very important to the housing industry. first term home buyers and so forth. we ought to look at everything. charitable deductions fuels a lot of university and the charities. but all the things are substantive. it's a question of what does america really want. they want good economy and jobs. >> shannon: i want to ask about the other issues going on. u.n. ambassador susan rice, a feeling she is on the short list of the president potentially to nominate here for secretary of state. if it happens she has to come before you in senate. she will
individual taxes. a lot of ways to skin the cat here. but the president seem determined to raise the rates. that is not going to help the economy. of it seems vindictive to me. what we ought to do is try to reform our tax code and lower rates. maybe we'd have revenue. but revenue by itself will never keep up with the spen spending. >> shannon: what about the mortgage deduction or charitable duction? there are things that come up with discussion. are they on the table? >> i think...
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in the meantime the president keeping up the pressure on republicans from here to extend expiring tax cuts for middle-class taxpayers, but let them expire for wealthier taxpayers. take a listen. >> the place where we already have and three complete agreement right now is on middle-class taxes. as i have said before, we have two choices. if congress does nothing, every family in america will see the taxes automatically go up the beginning of next year. >> as we have been reporting all day, the president set to meet with a bunch of ceos of major corporate leaders here that will probably start wondering about 90 minutes to get underway around 4:45 here at the white house, 14 of them showing up including the ceo of yahoo, merck, coca-cola, at&t and lloyd glenn fine of goldman sachs will be here as well. liz: in the end big multinationals, to be fascinating to hear they feel positive. i want to know the business leaders think. thank you so much. as congress and the president do their very slow discussion dance on this governors are sprinting around trying to prepare for enough ability that
in the meantime the president keeping up the pressure on republicans from here to extend expiring tax cuts for middle-class taxpayers, but let them expire for wealthier taxpayers. take a listen. >> the place where we already have and three complete agreement right now is on middle-class taxes. as i have said before, we have two choices. if congress does nothing, every family in america will see the taxes automatically go up the beginning of next year. >> as we have been reporting...
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the bush tax cut for everybody. each has a bill and same argument. i don't imagine the president has upper hand in that. >> bret: next up, president george w. bush on immigration reform. this holiday, share everything. share "not even close." share "you owe me..." share "just right." the share everything plan. sharable data across 10 devices with unlimited talk and text. get a droid razr m by motorola for $49.99. >>> immigrants come with new skills and new ideas. they fill a critical gap in the labor market. they work hard for a chance for a better life. america can be a lawful society. and a welcoming society at the same time. >> bret: former president george w. bush talking about the importance for republicans to embrace immigration reform. it's a theme many republicans are talking about, including incoming senator ted cruz who talked about it this week in d.c. >> i think republicans need to remain a party that supports securing the border and stopping illegal immigration. at the same time, welcomes and celebrates
the bush tax cut for everybody. each has a bill and same argument. i don't imagine the president has upper hand in that. >> bret: next up, president george w. bush on immigration reform. this holiday, share everything. share "not even close." share "you owe me..." share "just right." the share everything plan. sharable data across 10 devices with unlimited talk and text. get a droid razr m by motorola for $49.99. >>> immigrants come with new skills...
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a tax cult for 98%. the rest of the people, let's listen to them. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to you for a handful of republicans and congressman to hold tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on folks to go up. right? that doesn't make sense? the senate has already pass add bill to keep the taxes from going up on the middle-class families. that's already passed the senate. you remember congress, they're ready to go, they're ready to vote on that same thing. and if we can just get a few house republicans on board, we can pass the bill in the house, its wi it will land on my desk, and i am ready. i've got a bunch of pens ready to sign this bill. >> and 30 minutes after the president was finished, john boehner held a press conference. he gave a pessimistic assessment of the negotiations. let's listen to mr. boehner. >> let's not kid ourselves. but when i come out the day after the election and make it clear that republicans will put revenue on the table
a tax cult for 98%. the rest of the people, let's listen to them. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to you for a handful of republicans and congressman to hold tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on folks to go up. right? that doesn't make sense? the senate has already pass add bill to keep the taxes from going up on the middle-class families. that's already passed the senate. you remember congress, they're ready to go, they're ready to...
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the fact of the matter is, our tax is a high tax state even though i did cut taxes. our unemployment rate never went much over 6.5%. it has been consistently much below the nation's unemployment rate the entire time. secondly, what you're seeing in wall street today is short-term behavior. bill clinton's tax rates, what we're going back to if we go down the fiscal slope, had no negative effect in the economy. in fact the economy was a whole lot better when bill clinton was president than it was under george bush or barack obama. so i think your case is good in the short term, not so good in the long term. i think the best way to restore confidence in wall street in the long term would be to show we're serious about the deficit. i don't think any deal they strike will be as serious about the deficit as this fiscal slope. >> i just think that era, you're right. the economy boomd especially in the mid 1990s and late 1990s. i don't think it did so well a couple years after bill clinton raised taxes. that's one of the reasons 1994 republicans had the biggest election they
the fact of the matter is, our tax is a high tax state even though i did cut taxes. our unemployment rate never went much over 6.5%. it has been consistently much below the nation's unemployment rate the entire time. secondly, what you're seeing in wall street today is short-term behavior. bill clinton's tax rates, what we're going back to if we go down the fiscal slope, had no negative effect in the economy. in fact the economy was a whole lot better when bill clinton was president than it was...
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in the letter we know the sticking point is the tax rates. the speaker says, quote, notably the new revenue in the boles plan would not be achieved through higher tax rates, which we continue to oppose and will not agree in order to protect small businesses and our economy. instead new revenue would be generated through pro-growth tax reforms that closes special interest loopholes and deductions while lowering rates. you see in this latest proposal while they offer up pour savings by saying, look, we can tax the rich people through the $800 billion figure. we can find more savings in entitlements reforms and more savings in discretionary spending more so than the budget control act. they're still holding firm on that pledge not to raise the tax rates towards the bill clinton era. how will this play around in the white house? we don't know. this tax rate point has been a very difficult sticking point. both sides have stayed on and they continue to stay on this in their second offer. what you see is some sort of possible framework for a large s
in the letter we know the sticking point is the tax rates. the speaker says, quote, notably the new revenue in the boles plan would not be achieved through higher tax rates, which we continue to oppose and will not agree in order to protect small businesses and our economy. instead new revenue would be generated through pro-growth tax reforms that closes special interest loopholes and deductions while lowering rates. you see in this latest proposal while they offer up pour savings by saying,...
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tax. every state around hampshire had one or the other. in the 1960's, and every state added another one, either the sales tax or the income tax. within hesitation of their people that the other tax would come out and the revenue would be used because it will be more effective in collecting it. every one of those states, the revenues have gone down, the income tax has gone up, and the size of government has gone up. from my standpoint, a value- added tax is just a way to grossly expand the size of the government, and it does not fix our revenue problems. more importantly than that, just the point where i think this argument ends up, the american people would annihilate any party that passed a national sales tax rate. if the democratic party thinks they are in charge now, and they are, and the republican party has done some things to marginalize itself, but if you want to resurrect a republican party, give me a value-added tax. >> let's take the value-added tax off the table for this the se
tax. every state around hampshire had one or the other. in the 1960's, and every state added another one, either the sales tax or the income tax. within hesitation of their people that the other tax would come out and the revenue would be used because it will be more effective in collecting it. every one of those states, the revenues have gone down, the income tax has gone up, and the size of government has gone up. from my standpoint, a value- added tax is just a way to grossly expand the size...
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on the middle class, tax the rich more. there were even calls in that room for higher minimum wages. clearly, no one wants to cut out the safety net that working people are promised for their lives of diligence, using their brains and brawn to build our country. >> mr. prince, republicans claim that the president's plan is bad for small business. why do you think they are wrong? >> let me tell you. the president's plans so far have helped my business. from 2008 to 2011, things were very flat. sales were flat or even down. as the stimulus started to kick in, we started seeing month to month, every month sense late 2010, our sales go up. it is consumers having more can have dense, having more money. obama care was huge. i provide health insurance for all my employees. the aca is underwriting small businesses doing that helped me absorb a huge increase because i have a couple of folks who work for me who are going through some illness problems. >> lee saunders, your members of afscme, will be financially hurt if we go over the
on the middle class, tax the rich more. there were even calls in that room for higher minimum wages. clearly, no one wants to cut out the safety net that working people are promised for their lives of diligence, using their brains and brawn to build our country. >> mr. prince, republicans claim that the president's plan is bad for small business. why do you think they are wrong? >> let me tell you. the president's plans so far have helped my business. from 2008 to 2011, things were...
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. >> we shall not raise taxes in this country. we do not have a revenue problem. i would like senator mcconnell to recognize that the washington leaders are like a bunch of crack addicts. they need evermore money for evermore growing government and it is at the expense of the ordinary citizen that they pursue these policies. >> reporter: but the brighter those lines are drawn, the harder it will be to get a deal. owen williams worked more than 20 years on wall street. now he runs a small college here that sits on the board of the henry clay center for statesmanship. the way to a solution, he says, is for both sides to have a voice. >> both have taken the attitude that it's my way or the highway. and americans recognize that that's just not the way things typically get done in this country. and if we continue along that line, we will go over the fiscal cliff and who knows what the abyss beyond it will be like. >> reporter: the united states senate's always valued its reputation as the world's greatest deliberative body set apart fr
. >> we shall not raise taxes in this country. we do not have a revenue problem. i would like senator mcconnell to recognize that the washington leaders are like a bunch of crack addicts. they need evermore money for evermore growing government and it is at the expense of the ordinary citizen that they pursue these policies. >> reporter: but the brighter those lines are drawn, the harder it will be to get a deal. owen williams worked more than 20 years on wall street. now he runs a...
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tax dead? we'll see. forbes doesn't think so. there's a news conference along with washington lawmakers to push for the flat tax. he joins us later this hour. liz: first, what drove the marketings for today's data download. stocks ending lower, struggling for direction most of the day, unable to hold gains trading lower. i think it was 79 times. health care and industrials were today's top performing sectors and telecomo lagged. the euro extending the gains versus the dollar, rallying to a near seven week high against the green back after greece announced its debt buy back terms. euro rose to a $1131. that's high historically. action in the metals. silver, platinum, all sinking more than 1%. silver was today's biggest loser dropping nearly p 3% to settle at $32.81 an ounce. david: markets hopping, but the next trader says investor participation is shifting. in chicago, larry, the key question here is what happens when the market gets off its hind legs and moves? move up or down? >> it all depen
tax dead? we'll see. forbes doesn't think so. there's a news conference along with washington lawmakers to push for the flat tax. he joins us later this hour. liz: first, what drove the marketings for today's data download. stocks ending lower, struggling for direction most of the day, unable to hold gains trading lower. i think it was 79 times. health care and industrials were today's top performing sectors and telecomo lagged. the euro extending the gains versus the dollar, rallying to a near...
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taxes will go up. democrats proposes a bill that cuts taxes on the middle class. the republicans don't dare vote it down. we'll have gotten the higher taxes on the wealthy through this back door route. tim geithner is right. you cannot have a seer imrus plan unless those tax rates on the wealthy go up. >> ifill: the president is... hassles proposedded something that john boehner calls silliness or secretary geithner actually did which is taking thed why of the debt ceiling off of congress' plate. something which members of congress seem to think at least is a no starter. what is the value in putting that out there? >> well again it needs to be said. this is crazy. the way that the debt ceiling works is that congress can actually vote to not tax enough to pay for the spending it proposes and then it can refuse to allow the government to borrow the money to make up the difference between its own spending bills and its own tax bills. this is crazy. this is a license for continual irresponsibility. and of course we're heading for... the republicans are attempting to d
taxes will go up. democrats proposes a bill that cuts taxes on the middle class. the republicans don't dare vote it down. we'll have gotten the higher taxes on the wealthy through this back door route. tim geithner is right. you cannot have a seer imrus plan unless those tax rates on the wealthy go up. >> ifill: the president is... hassles proposedded something that john boehner calls silliness or secretary geithner actually did which is taking thed why of the debt ceiling off of...
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all of us get taxes withheld. if they're going to change what rate i'm going to be taxed at, they're going to have to change that table. that's not an overnight process. certainly, the treasury can't afford to let that go too long because everybody will be underwithheld. they'll get a big tax bill. there will be a riot among the people if that happens. what i'm watching is the treasury. if they get nervous enough, they'll ask them to change the tax tables. so far it looks like they smell a deal and haven't asked for it yet. you think we're going to get a deal? >> i think they may try to push it to the end. the other thing i'm watching for is the 17th when the president is due to take his family to hawaii. i don't think he wants to be in hawaii without a deal. something is going to come up. >> ron, what about you? >> i thought the resignation of senator jim demint, who was a staunch conservative, which was a surprise departure, tells me the republicans in many ways are throwing in the towel on this deal. he's a guy
all of us get taxes withheld. if they're going to change what rate i'm going to be taxed at, they're going to have to change that table. that's not an overnight process. certainly, the treasury can't afford to let that go too long because everybody will be underwithheld. they'll get a big tax bill. there will be a riot among the people if that happens. what i'm watching is the treasury. if they get nervous enough, they'll ask them to change the tax tables. so far it looks like they smell a deal...
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the taxes will go up for the top 2%. obama's job number one, a tax cut for the 98%. the rest of the people. let's listen to him. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to you for just a handful of republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks to go up. all right? that doesn't make sense. the senate has already passed a bill to keep income taxes from going up on middle class families. that's already passed the senate. your members of congress, like allyson and chaka, other democrats in the house, they're ready to go, they're ready to vote on that same thing. if we can just get a few house republicans on board, we can pass the bill in the house, it will land on my desk, and i am ready, i have got a bunch of pens ready to sign this bill. >> 30 minutes after the president was finished, house speaker john boehner held a press conference, and he left unanswered the president's call for decoupling that 98% from the richest 2%, and he gave a pessimistic assessment of the si
the taxes will go up for the top 2%. obama's job number one, a tax cut for the 98%. the rest of the people. let's listen to him. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to you for just a handful of republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks to go up. all right? that doesn't make sense. the senate has already passed a bill to keep income taxes from going up on middle class families....
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if you look at the tax side, the president campaigned on raising taxes but high talked about raising them to the tune of $800 billion. instead, what was put on the table is double that, $1.6 trillion in new tax increases. the president, though, out there upsetting republicans because he is outcampaigning again and he said i missed being out here on the trail. so rather than negotiating with republicans he was on the road in pennsylvania and saying i ran on this in terms of raising taxes. it is time to collect. >> at the end of the day, a clear majority of americans, democrats, republicans, independents, agreed with a balanced approach to gift reduction and making sure the middle class taxes don't go up. folks agreed to that. now the good news is we are starting to see a few republicans coming around to it, too. >>reporter: nancy pelosi has a news conference and added that elections have consequences. the democrats now think they can push their agenda through but republicans are saying when the democrats ran on the balanced approach it was not just tax increases but spending cuts, as
if you look at the tax side, the president campaigned on raising taxes but high talked about raising them to the tune of $800 billion. instead, what was put on the table is double that, $1.6 trillion in new tax increases. the president, though, out there upsetting republicans because he is outcampaigning again and he said i missed being out here on the trail. so rather than negotiating with republicans he was on the road in pennsylvania and saying i ran on this in terms of raising taxes. it is...
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we hear eric cantor saying no new taxes and we know that the dems want to have taxes on the wealthy and also know that the republicans would like to see some spending cuts as well. >> it's not about grover norquist and the pledge. the bottom line is this: even boehner said they're willing to have some revenue, some tax increases if we cut spending. and kelly, by having of billions more dollars in surplus package money that president obama wants, also, increasing taxes by 1.6 trillion dollars, that's not a deal that the american people can live with. it's not about grover norquist and not raising taxes, it's about going to the table and cutting a real deal. >> dick? >> i guess what i say is, what do the republicans want to cut? i mean, have they backed off the paul ryan plan to cut medicare have they backed off the plan for social security, and what is the plan? i think the president and the democrats and the country are waiting to hear. he made an offer. i'm a lawyer and deal with this and the other side why and we move to the middle. where is the republican plan. >> kelly: hold on a mi
we hear eric cantor saying no new taxes and we know that the dems want to have taxes on the wealthy and also know that the republicans would like to see some spending cuts as well. >> it's not about grover norquist and the pledge. the bottom line is this: even boehner said they're willing to have some revenue, some tax increases if we cut spending. and kelly, by having of billions more dollars in surplus package money that president obama wants, also, increasing taxes by 1.6 trillion...
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revenue through tax reform, that means lower taxes, but tax reform, $800 billion. >> closing of loopholes and capping deductions. >> right. health savings, $600 billion. mandatory savings, $300. further discretionary savings, $300 billion. house republican counter getting you $202 trillion compared to the white house offer of $1.67 trillion, bill. >> we identified both sides now. >> and we begin. >> let's get them in the middle and find some middle ground there, somewhere, somewhere, in time. we'll see. meantime, market taking it in stride as we head to the close with 50 minutes left in the trading day. the dow down 41 points. at the low of the day we were down 56. >> we're going to start hearing the impact of sandy as we approach the holiday shopping season. sandy stimulated sales of new cars last month. see which automaker drove away with bigger gains, ford or gm. >> then pain at the pump. our next guest is warning a new ethanol fuel blend that not only costs more but adds to the cost of food could damage your car and void your warranty. really? you're going to want to hear this coming
revenue through tax reform, that means lower taxes, but tax reform, $800 billion. >> closing of loopholes and capping deductions. >> right. health savings, $600 billion. mandatory savings, $300. further discretionary savings, $300 billion. house republican counter getting you $202 trillion compared to the white house offer of $1.67 trillion, bill. >> we identified both sides now. >> and we begin. >> let's get them in the middle and find some middle ground there,...
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um, no, just opened up some yogurt. >> we have to accompany tax reduction and tax relief for americans, also having a dollar value meal at restaurants. >> what do you think about that, the catholic church would allow someone in -- welcome someone in who denies holocaust, isn't that offensive to you? >> what are you going to do? >> i love sarah silverman and all those ladies. anyone who serves women aren't funny deserves a whack up side the head. it was a figure of speech. >> sorry. >> woah! no more figures of speech over here. just concrete language. there's lots of incredible funny women from tina fey to sarah silverman, even the sweetly violence women i work with every day. >> really? >> really? >> all right. really. anyway, i don't want to live in a world without women came medians and neither does our next guest. the author of we kill the rise of women in american comedy. welcome, my sister. >> thanks for having me. >> so you can talk about smftd special challenges that women who want to enter comedy will face? >> i think i have to look at stand up and sketch a as two different art
um, no, just opened up some yogurt. >> we have to accompany tax reduction and tax relief for americans, also having a dollar value meal at restaurants. >> what do you think about that, the catholic church would allow someone in -- welcome someone in who denies holocaust, isn't that offensive to you? >> what are you going to do? >> i love sarah silverman and all those ladies. anyone who serves women aren't funny deserves a whack up side the head. it was a figure of...
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the vote in front of them is going to be to cut taxes. taxes will rise anyway. the bush tax cuts will expire. then they'll bring in legislation saying let's cut taxes for the middle class and every republican out there including john boehner will say i voted for a tax cut, not a tax hike. >> well, here's tom cole speaking with chuck todd about cole's advice to pass the tax extensions for 98% of americans. here it is. rather comical. >> that advice was given in private, but you guys have a way of figuring aue ining out what? said in private. somebody leaked it out. that's fine. >> you didn't intend for this to go public? >> no. >> you did not -- this is something you were -- okay. >> but, again, it is what i said. it's not an inaccurate report. >> i mean, did republican leaders want cole's advice to be leaked? >> of course they did. i mean, and if they didn't want it to be leaked, they wanted it to be repeated. so john boehner has wiggle room. he can look like he's the tough guy to the tea party folks who have to vote him back in as speaker. tom cole is really la
the vote in front of them is going to be to cut taxes. taxes will rise anyway. the bush tax cuts will expire. then they'll bring in legislation saying let's cut taxes for the middle class and every republican out there including john boehner will say i voted for a tax cut, not a tax hike. >> well, here's tom cole speaking with chuck todd about cole's advice to pass the tax extensions for 98% of americans. here it is. rather comical. >> that advice was given in private, but you guys...
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very focused on raising taxes on the rich. if you have a millionaire or billionaire elderly person, and you tell them, guess what, you're going to have to pay more for your health care, that would be like raising their taxes, right? and it would help reduce the problem. but they don't want to talk about that. >> the easiest solution's in front of us. i'm not the expert on medicare or social security. means testing and raising age limits seem to me to be pretty practical solutions as part of the solution, not the total solution, to reducing entitlement spending. >> if you were this the white house today with with the president as many of the nation's leading ceos are, what would be first that you would tell president obama today needs to be dealt with to get through the fiscal cliff? >> wehat we need is a solution that's going to call for sacrifice on the part of all americans. so we're going to have to raise revenue, yes. we're going to have to reduce spending. his own rhetoric, about a three to one, which is in line with the
very focused on raising taxes on the rich. if you have a millionaire or billionaire elderly person, and you tell them, guess what, you're going to have to pay more for your health care, that would be like raising their taxes, right? and it would help reduce the problem. but they don't want to talk about that. >> the easiest solution's in front of us. i'm not the expert on medicare or social security. means testing and raising age limits seem to me to be pretty practical solutions as part...
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tax cuts. are they willing to limit unemployment insurance, give up infrastructure spending, which is something the president has been talking about from the beginning, payroll tax cut. what's the white house plan here? >> well, alan simpson in addition to being an excellent dancer is a very shrewd political analyst. >> very hip, alan simpson. >> very, very, very good dancer recently. but, look, i think people talk in terms of political advantage and clearly the president is going to gain more political advantage from going off the cliff than the republicans are going to. that's where the polls are showing. that's clearly where there is going. that doesn't mean it's a good idea for the country or economically. the country is are they looking at their own political interests or do they actually want to make sure the economy stays out of recession here. this is a very dangerous game that we're playing with over the next four weeks. >> i want to bring in congressman tom price, a republican from ge
tax cuts. are they willing to limit unemployment insurance, give up infrastructure spending, which is something the president has been talking about from the beginning, payroll tax cut. what's the white house plan here? >> well, alan simpson in addition to being an excellent dancer is a very shrewd political analyst. >> very hip, alan simpson. >> very, very, very good dancer recently. but, look, i think people talk in terms of political advantage and clearly the president is...
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additional tax increases equal to $600 billion. 2009 level estate tax. multiyear stimulus package starting with at least $50 billion next year alone. permanent increase in the debt ceiling, the debt limit enough to avoid it. in exchange, $400 billion in savings from the medicare and other entitlements to be worked out next year with no guarantees. that didn't go over well. syndicated columnnist charles krauthammer. what is going on here? >> you know, up until today i didn't think -- i did think that the president had shown leg on entitlement reform. he did no 2011. when the house speaker failed to reach a grand bargain. you heard signals from dick durbin said on the sunday shows that medicare had to be on the table. he circled back and say it couldn't be part of the down payment. a lot of confidence that the president is willing to go over the cliff before he would do anything to entitlement. this is the -- the ball is in the democrats' court, not in the republicans that i spoke to today. did say that the administration proposal just as boehner said is n
additional tax increases equal to $600 billion. 2009 level estate tax. multiyear stimulus package starting with at least $50 billion next year alone. permanent increase in the debt ceiling, the debt limit enough to avoid it. in exchange, $400 billion in savings from the medicare and other entitlements to be worked out next year with no guarantees. that didn't go over well. syndicated columnnist charles krauthammer. what is going on here? >> you know, up until today i didn't think -- i did...
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i'm offering 98% a tax cut of $2,000 a year. you are the party of lower taxes. are you going to refuse to cut people's tacks? >> nobody wants to go over the cliff. that's why the day after the election i tried to speed this process up by making the concession to put revenues on the table. it's unfortunate that the white house has spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> so you have been around this town a long time, you have been in a lot of negotiations, what is there game? what is their thinking as to how they are going to work their will? do they just figure they won, they are going to get what they want? >> i have no idea, chris. if i knew, i would share it with you but i don't think what they are thinking. >> do you think they are being bullies? >> i think they won the election, they must have forgotten that republicans continue to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> and again, because you kind of didn't answ
i'm offering 98% a tax cut of $2,000 a year. you are the party of lower taxes. are you going to refuse to cut people's tacks? >> nobody wants to go over the cliff. that's why the day after the election i tried to speed this process up by making the concession to put revenues on the table. it's unfortunate that the white house has spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> so you have been around this town a long time, you have been in a lot of negotiations, what is there game?...
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they are saying capital and income from capital should be taxed the same way we tax earned income. that is a fundamental in equity in our tax code. >> that's right. this country in its economy he has done well when we've had policies that have promoted middle class expansion. this is good for capital. franklin roosevelt for all of understanding, he said if you don't have a middle class that works, you won't have an economy for the rich. there's a narrow mindedness that i've got mine and i want more and i'm take it from you if that's what it takes. american economic policy works best when it's building a middle class. >> you go back to henry ford, who is no legal tarian at heart. he said if my workers can't afford to buy the cars they're building i won't be able to sell them to everybody and wanted to raise wages. you have been a proponent of going over the cliff basically saying we're not going to cave because of the threat. do you still hold that position and is there support in the democratic party for it? >> there is. we're not in favor of going over the cliff we're in favor of
they are saying capital and income from capital should be taxed the same way we tax earned income. that is a fundamental in equity in our tax code. >> that's right. this country in its economy he has done well when we've had policies that have promoted middle class expansion. this is good for capital. franklin roosevelt for all of understanding, he said if you don't have a middle class that works, you won't have an economy for the rich. there's a narrow mindedness that i've got mine and i...
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lump sum before taxes. he warned the hill family to be careful because folks they barely know will try to score a small chunk of those winnings. >> you don't know what tomorrow will bring. with some the people that come out of woodwork like you hear about. you know, those letters, you know, i still get them 8 years later. there is no book. there is no guide to tell these people what to do and how to do it. >> shepard: stephan white says life is wonderful now and he has just used some of his power ball winnings to make a donation to toys for tots. fox urgent now. two boys in florida plotting to set off a weapon of mass destruction here in the united states. this is new tonight. prosecutors say that weapon was some sort of explosive device. no word on a potential target. the fbi reports they arrested the brothers yesterday in fort lauderdale. the feds say the men are u.s. citizens. originally though from pakistan. they could get life in prison. there is a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. that's the quote t
lump sum before taxes. he warned the hill family to be careful because folks they barely know will try to score a small chunk of those winnings. >> you don't know what tomorrow will bring. with some the people that come out of woodwork like you hear about. you know, those letters, you know, i still get them 8 years later. there is no book. there is no guide to tell these people what to do and how to do it. >> shepard: stephan white says life is wonderful now and he has just used...
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the republicans saying we'll never raise taxes. the problem is taxes are scheduled to go up. they can't say no to that. they will go up. the only real question for the obstructionists in the republican party is, seriously, you're going to block atax cut? that's what it is. >> i want to play some sound from our friend david gergen on cnn yesterday and get you to comment. >> since this election i think the democrats are the ones who are really trying to rub it in and almost humiliate the republicans, and that's not going to get to a bargain. i think it has to be win-win. you hear among some democrats right now and it's disturbing that maybe just ought to take it over the cliff. we'll score political points against the republicans and it will force our hands in the new year. that is a very, very dangerous, risky path. >> what do you think? are democrats more interested in humiliating republicans? do they really want a deal? for republicans, what's at stake here? what's the upside? what should the way forward be? >> i think both sides want a deal. if the economy tanks because we
the republicans saying we'll never raise taxes. the problem is taxes are scheduled to go up. they can't say no to that. they will go up. the only real question for the obstructionists in the republican party is, seriously, you're going to block atax cut? that's what it is. >> i want to play some sound from our friend david gergen on cnn yesterday and get you to comment. >> since this election i think the democrats are the ones who are really trying to rub it in and almost humiliate...
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anything above $2,500 will be taxed and the rest will be taxed. they are going to be playing $10,000, $12,000 more per year taxable rate to get their kids per school. >> and they're always talking about how the republicans want to destroy the study for autism. but here it is black and white in the obama. we appreciate it. it's great to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> now to the lottery frenzy. there's already a winner in this game. the government. not good. we're going to explain when "the kudlow report" comes right back. >>> if everything on the fiscal side caves, what incentive is there for tax reform in 20 13? >> ups believes congress does need to move very quickly to get this done. >> there are going to be many moments when it seems like there's a deal and then there are people who fight the deal, which is why we have been featuring the notion of rising above. >> all sides could lose if an agreement isn't arrived upon. music is a universal language. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all
anything above $2,500 will be taxed and the rest will be taxed. they are going to be playing $10,000, $12,000 more per year taxable rate to get their kids per school. >> and they're always talking about how the republicans want to destroy the study for autism. but here it is black and white in the obama. we appreciate it. it's great to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> now to the lottery frenzy. there's already a winner in this game. the government. not good. we're going to...
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so it's not like folks who make more than 250 aren't getting a tax break too, they are getting a tax break on the first 250 just like everybody else. families and small businesses would therefore be able to enjoy some piece of mind heading into christmas and heading into the new year. and it would give us more time than next year to work together on a comprehensive plan to bring down our deficits, to streamline our tax system, to do it in a balanced way, including asking the wealthist americans to pay a little more so we can still invest in things like education, and training and science and research research. i know some of this may sound familiar to you because we talked a lot about this during campaign. this shouldn't be a surprise to anybody. this was a major debate in the presidential campaign and in congressional campaigns all across the country, and a clear majority of americans, not just democrats, but also a lot of republicans and a lot of independents agreed we should have a balanced approach to deficit reduction that doesn't hurt the economy and doesn't hurt middle class f
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in taxes by an average of 5%. that means a middle-class family will pay $2,000 more in taxes and married couples would be hurt because of marriage penalty. it doesn't include the budget consequences. $55 billion would be cut from the pentagon and another $55 billion slashed from domestic programs. an estimated 2 million jobs could be lost pushing the economy back into a recession adding to the misery to those facing tough times by ending jobless benefits for the long term unemployed. steve is live in washington. where do we stand at this point? >> reporter: two sides did do something today. they appeared on the sunday talk shows but they haven't negotiated an actual deal. john boehner blasted the white house plan which was put forward last week. boehner says the president essentially wasted the last three weeks since the election with nonsense. >> the president is asking for $1.6 trillion worth of new revenue over ten years, twice as much as he been asking for in public. stimulus spending that exceeded the amount
in taxes by an average of 5%. that means a middle-class family will pay $2,000 more in taxes and married couples would be hurt because of marriage penalty. it doesn't include the budget consequences. $55 billion would be cut from the pentagon and another $55 billion slashed from domestic programs. an estimated 2 million jobs could be lost pushing the economy back into a recession adding to the misery to those facing tough times by ending jobless benefits for the long term unemployed. steve is...
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everybody here, you'll see your taxes go up on january 1. and it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to you for just a handful of republicans in congress to hold middle-class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper-income folks to go up. gwen: house speaker john boehner's response, no way. they are, he said, at stalemate. >> the white house spends three weeks trying to develop a proposal, and they send one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes, calls for a little -- not even $400 billion in cuts, and they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. i mean, it was not a serious proposal. and so right now we're almost nowhere. gwen: both ends say americans voted for growth and responsibility during the last election, but each apparently is read looking the same message differently. what a surprise. so how much of the policy is about standoff and how much is about politics? >> it's a little bit of each. but i would have to say right
everybody here, you'll see your taxes go up on january 1. and it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to you for just a handful of republicans in congress to hold middle-class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper-income folks to go up. gwen: house speaker john boehner's response, no way. they are, he said, at stalemate. >> the white house spends three weeks trying to develop a proposal, and they send one up here that calls for $1.6...
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i pay my tax, why not starbucks? >> sometimes they position themselveses in other country to avoid paying high taxes here and britain. amazon did $320 million in turnover in the u.k. it paid less than $3 million in british tax. all of this within the law but parliamentary law accused them of immorally minimizing the tax obligation. some say don't blame the big guys. >> i don't moral is the way we ought to levy our taxes. it should be set out in law and fairly enforced by the tax authority. individuals have their own moral compass that guides what they choose to do. >> starbucks does appear to feel the heat of public pressure. saying we need to do more. we are looking at the tax approach in the u.k. the u.k. said it will tighten its tax regime but it has not said how. other european countrys have similar concerns. with some calling for more uniform taxation across the e.u., so some countries don't become tax havens at the expense of others. bret? >> bret: amy kellogg in london. thank you. the supreme court here in the
i pay my tax, why not starbucks? >> sometimes they position themselveses in other country to avoid paying high taxes here and britain. amazon did $320 million in turnover in the u.k. it paid less than $3 million in british tax. all of this within the law but parliamentary law accused them of immorally minimizing the tax obligation. some say don't blame the big guys. >> i don't moral is the way we ought to levy our taxes. it should be set out in law and fairly enforced by the tax...
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loopholes and lower tax rates. that's far better for the economy. >> the clock is ticking. the year is ending. it's really important with tax legislation for it to happen now. we're calling upon the republican leadership in the house to bring this legislation to the floor next week. >> arthel: let's bring in steve centanni with more. >> as you can see, the two sides are taking strong stands on principle, but aren't really getting any closer to a compromise as we speed toward that fiscal cliff. the president hit the road appearing at a pennsylvania toy factory yesterday and appealing for a balanced approach, including spending cuts and new revenues. the president says we could cut taxes for the middle class right now if congress agreed to extend the bush era tax cuts for everybody except those earning more than 250,000 a year. he stressed the urgency of the situation. >> if congress does nothing, every family will see their income taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next year. a family of four will see the
loopholes and lower tax rates. that's far better for the economy. >> the clock is ticking. the year is ending. it's really important with tax legislation for it to happen now. we're calling upon the republican leadership in the house to bring this legislation to the floor next week. >> arthel: let's bring in steve centanni with more. >> as you can see, the two sides are taking strong stands on principle, but aren't really getting any closer to a compromise as we speed toward...